People such as this are no different than those who copy Indian Arts and Crafts with one major exception. First of all these people who attend these types of 'retreats' are those who intend to be asscoiated so that they can open up their own profitable undertakings see for yourself, all you have to do is check on them later and see for yourselves,, it is all for one purpose,, greed,, but the major difference between those who copied Indian Arts and Crafts and all of these new spiritual phonys is that this is religous sacriledge,,, to put it in trendy terms,,, this is EXTREMELY bad Karma, sure these kinds of people have big name corporations and fortune five hundred celebrities endorse their new 'pay for religion' products', but do they really understand what they are actually doing??? Think about it,,, sure our economy is bad people are losing thier homes people can't afford heathcare,, who is going to profit? At what cost? Do they really believe in any sort of spiritual, religous & moral consciquence to their actions by taking the very sacred way of life of a people that have been already healing themselves from the atrocities already commited upon them? How can anyone charge exhorbient amounts of money for such things??? The very heart and soul,, first it was Indian food and game for sale then our homelands now the religion up for profit??? Sweatlodge anyone?? But the difference is this is a very Indian thing and no one can buy Indian spirituality all anyone can do is try to emulate it in whatever strange and bizzare ways they just make up as they go and sell it,,, will this dangerously immoral sacrilidge be available at Walmarts soon too???? Or will the true Native American Spirituality be obvious to anyone anytime soon???? There is a very spiritually dangerous reason Indians don't go into our sweatlodges unworthily!!! Maybe these people should have gone into a sauna,,, It doesn't seem our spirits are very happy. Linda Medley (Chippewa in Michigan)

"Nine to ten thousand dollars for this? "out of body experience?" This organization is comprimising to real to Native Americans Indians.. and blatantly offensive. It's a hard slap in the face to real Native Americans. Compromising to our culture with phony misappropriations of Indian spirituality. They are not a part of us,,,, not one of us,,, it is so sad,, should have tried to seek therapy to learn to accept your own culture and cease your outrageously ridiculous attempts at trying to emulate ours. These phony fabricated and distorted portrayals are compromising to our culture and damaging to our traditions by propagating ridiculous fabrications!!!! Genocide of a culture is not hip & fashionable!!!!! We are healing,,, Real Native Americans are healing ourselves from the atrocites that happened in our lifetimes, and that is what is being copied by every self appointed Indian 'Spirtualist' from here to kingdom come,,,, and marketed as just some new fad that happens to be hip and fashionable at the time, but this is our religion, we are Indians,, because we are Indians,, not because we trying to become someone else! Saying to ourselves, "Lets seek a new religion because our is too condeming and because were too old to use drugs anymore to drop out and escape reality and morality so now we'll pay ten thousand dollars to have an out of body experience instead,,", you tell yourselves, "lets take away our bibles and erase our ten commandments because it is not healthy for our positve affirmations,, we don't need to hear about our 'SINS' and how our 'GREED' has gotten us into the ression we are in by spending what we don't have." Nine to ten thousand dollars for an 'out of body' experience,,, How Very Sadly Ironic!!!! Linda Medley (Chippewa in MI)

Some things need to be clarified here. Our taditional ceremonies were not meant to be desecrated for the sake of a new age trend...A SWEAT LODGE IS NOT A SAUNA BATH and OUR MEDICINE IS NOT FOR SALE. Never should anyone have to pay so to attend a Sacred Rock Lodge ceremony. I do not accept more than 7 people in the Lodge and after 10 years of conducting ceremonies, never has anyone been sick, let alone die from attending this Lodge. There are spiritual forces that intervene in a Lodge and this is no show for the ego nor is it some form of entertainment. A Lodge is well alive and should be respected as such. Many years have to be spent as a Fire Keeper before being given the responsibility of keeping a Lodge by an Elder. It is very sad indeed to witness such recklessness and I will conduct a Lodge tonight in prayers for those who have gone back to the Spirit World and those left to deal with the pain experienced because of sheer ignorance.

Can you confirm whether or not my comment has been received. Than You Luc Richard (Okwaho) Québec, Canada

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This is master manipulated.he is using his money to sweep this under the carpet.it will catch up to him.sort of like Obama.you abuse your power it will eventually screw you.

This is master manipulated.he is using his money to sweep this under the carpet.it will catch up to him.sort of like Obama.you abuse your power it will eventually screw you.

This is master manipulated.he is using his money to sweep this under the carpet.it will catch up to him.sort of like Obama.you abuse your power it will eventually screw you.

Good call lorida!hey news junkie where is the " boobson".nowwhere to be found?

It really is time for the police to take some action. I would think that the retreat owners are going to take their punishment also. When you have a faciity that you lease to other groups, you always review their plans. Both parties, the Ray folks and the retreat folks obviously knew the so-called sweat lodge was not up to code, (probably why they didn't filed the plans for a permit). The retreat has probably been doing business like this for awhile. (I think somone from the city or county needs to do some monitoring here. It is obvious to me that both parties know how many people were going to be in attendance. To put up a toxic piece of crap like the one in the photos is beyond comprehension. I mean come on...it doesn't take a genius to see they really didn't care enough about their "clients" to even do a decent job. I have heard that James Ray was sitting by the door the entire time (Is this true??? Also I have heard that they required the "Client" to be nude. Is this true?????