Hey, Lorida - really great reading. Assraf had zero, zip - nothing to do with James Ray's event. You think he deserves to be hung for even speaking out about the type of event James Ray was involved in? Maybe you should go back to the Salem witch hunts and find yourself a bunch of innocent people to fry. People who can't even figure out who's who in these types of things won't be doing much more with their lives than posting disjointed comments on teenzy little boards like these. You have anything better to do with your life?

In native circles no one pours the ceremony who hasn't gone through years and years of training. Where are his lineage teachers? With whom did he train? You can't just take native ceremonies and play with them. And no amount of "intention" will make it all nice. He is accountable for this travesty. If he was native he sure would be.

TO NOONE IN PARTICULAR: AURORA BORE YE ALL US: i have to assume you are either very young or just starting out on personalizing your spiritual being at a rather late time in your life. whichever - please do your family and friends a favor and get through it just as quickly as you can. they may not BE your family and friends for long if you don't. you sound like someone locked into a trance from a charismatic snake charmer. please - for your sake and all who care about you - WAKE UP!!!!!

.....No its closer to Jim Jones.

I wonder if the guy's middle name is "Earl" as in James Earl Ray?

AURORA your sick, you are covering for these bad guys by softening their crime. They are frauds! James Ray didnt even have the knowledge to do the sweat properly, he crammed 65 men and women together, the corret procedure is seperate sweats for each sex, these victims were over steamed and poisened by toxic fumes that covered the lodge, and without a proper permit, you over look that, how strange? You shun the word fraud as though you feel they deserve to be forgiving, like...ooops they killed two people, its just an error! Stop your propaganda, these guys ran like hell as soon as the police showed up, Ray still refuses to be questioned, why? There is nothing to defend deary, unless you are one of his worshipers or stand to lose future income from the spirit quest factories.

James Ray and Assraf are ultimately responsible for the deaths, it was all done haphazardly and illegally, without any merit, all based on the "Secret" book and movie. In addition to these strange men's backgrounds, folks check out another new age fraudulant author, John Perkins, and his questionable associates, he hails from an unbelievably weathly global group. He wrote a number of books coincidentally titled "THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE" & "SECRETS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN" so on. He boasts to have been recruited by secret government, trained to steal from foreign countries all their lands and natural resources, as far back as mid 1970's, by designing and controlling their industrial and commercial developements, by ridding them of their primal third world existance. There is a price Perkins reveals, its the eventual take over of their country, erradicating traditions, stripping their uniqueness as they slowly decay, morally and monetarily, in the name of corporatization. The dark side, he reveals is, if they do not go along with the plan, its a certainty they will be deceminated from the inside out, rotting till they fall into his hands anyway, from dire needs. Read these books, many of them have Shaman spirit quest titles!!! The upshot is; you can trace the background of James Ray and Assaraf, to the same group useing subversive methods in America, turning it "inside out and upside down". Sadly, Perkins recently slithered into the new age groupy cult movement of guru's, he stepped into the 'A' list of new age speakers for confrences and seminars on UFO's, Spiritual Quests, etc. costs are outrageous....buyer beware, caveate emptor!

What happened has nothing to do with the truth behind the work. If any of you have learned to connect thought and feeling with your intentions, (actually putting the whole of the material into practice) you wouldn't be shunning the work. We all deserve abundance, including them.. especially if they are living what they are teaching. True, this is very upsetting and I completely honor and empathize with the families involved. We all should be focusing on the love and compassion that ALL involved need right now. There is no reason to feed this with anger. We must do what we can as conscious minded co-creators to support those in need with our love.

by the way - it should read: MAN PROVIDES FLIMSY EXCUSE FOR THE DEATHS OF 2 SCAMMEES.

Everyone who profited off this will be haunted to the end of their days. They are in for a nasty, nasty surprise when they die. And to James Ray: You'll get what's coming to you. You cannot escape the invisible ones, there is no place on this planet where you can hide and no one can protect you.