iconoclast,I do consider myself to be brighter than most of my peers.whether that is true or not is in the eye of the beholder.If you look at society and especially our legal system,such as it is today,you can see that we all have reaped the uglieness of lawyers greed and treachery.Perhaps in one of the other discussions about this topic,someone took it upon themselves to mention that the two in the plane were lawyers.The facet of this story you have chosen to discuss however,is only one of many,and not the only one with merrit for this public forum.So I would suggest to you,to find a forum that only discusses what you feel like or at least what you seem to have a knowledge of.As for me,I will discuss what I want when I want how I want on this public forum.Thank you very much.

Kalishnicovdude: I'll leave this part of this discussion with these few comments, as we are completely off-topic: I can assure you Marcy was not a lawyer or involved in the profession, as I said. She was a wonderful, bright and vibrant woman. Now, It's patently obvious that you have had bad experiences wth attorneys and are quite angry about them; without making judgments about whether your feelings are justified or not, since I don't have that right, let me offer you the following, as you have made your comments in a public forum: Choosing the targets of your rage and consternation blindly, as you have done here, will never move your cause forward. For all I know, you are a very bright and justly concerned individual, but swinging wildly and hurting innocent others in the process, especially in an unrelated forum, is driving your apparent goals backwards. If you truly want to help your cause, find an appropriate place to do it and do it in a fashion people will respect and find useful. Good luck and end of discussion.

iconoclast,if she was not a lawyer or did not work for one I was not talking about her.If she was,or did I stand by my statement,and would say it to anyone who was in earshot,family or not.I prefer to meet lawyer types in dark,lonely out of the way places with few witnesses,so let me know.

SuperDave: Either the photo and associated information in the right hands OR correct information on the NTSB report would have helped immensely. We can see from the results that the photo brought about almost immediate resolution, while correct NTSB information might have helped narrow the search scope early on. And the logical extension of these failures is that other aspects of these processes could also be very flawed. It should be first noted, however, that very simple and obvious flaws that should be attended to immediately. It would be nice if the local governments and agencies would initiate the necessary changes without being strongarmed or shamed into it.

Kalshnicovdude: I'd like you to meet Mr. and Mrs. Randolph and their son, Jeff, and tell them their daughter and sister (who was not a lawyer or even involved in the legal profession, since that seems to make a difference to you) was an "animal." I could arrange the meeting for you.

SuperDave: Either the photo and associated information in the right hands OR correct information on the NTSB report would have helped immensely. We can see from the results that the photo brought about almost immediate resolution, while correct NTSB information might have helped narrow the search scope early on. And the logical extension of these failures is that other aspects of these processes could also be very flawed. It should be first noted, however, that very simple and obvious flaws that should be attended to immediately. It would be nice if the local governments and agencies would initiate the necessary changes without being strongarmed or shamed into it.

I dont fly,wouldnt even if I could.I know a few who do and I agree,if we can learn from this for future aid in simalar situations it would be a good thing.At least for now we can say that we are learning from a situation that only involved animals and not humans.

Yeah talk about a disconnected story. That makes more sense. I was also wondering about the flight plan. Sometimes the NTSB will only consider info provided at the time of deprture from those directly involved at the airport and not allow editing after the fact. Hopefully more light will be shed and maybe improvements made in the communication betwen agencies. the flight plan was the key.

SuperDave: The reporting has been very hit and miss on its accuracy. I'll provide a small timeline: 1. The day the plane disappeared, two hikers saw a fire, took pictures and reported it to authorities. 2. Skip forward 2 1/2 years. 3. A skilled volunteer investigator uncovered this information just a short time ago and interviewed those same hikers. 4. Using extensive data collected over the prior 2 1/2 years, Google Earth and terrain features shown in the photo taken by the hikers, the father (Phil Randolph) and uncle of Marcy Randolph found the probable location of the fire in the last two weeks. 5. The original hikers and Phil Randolph and Jane McElfresh hiked in in two separate parties from two directions and discovered the wreckage last weekend. 6. So, those hikers had a pretty good idea of what they were looking for when they went back. 7. I don't know if the reasons behind the NTSB data problems have been determined, thought Mr. Randolph has stated that he has tried to have it corrected for most of the 2 1/2 years since the disappearance. 8. According to the NTSB report, "a flight plan had not been filed."

ABC15 has since deleted the orignal story from last Monday. Here is a similar version from the Prescott paper: Friday, April 24, 2009 Coconino Sheriff's detectives are investigating the report of a downed aircraft in the Secret Canyon Wilderness Area, northwest of Sedona. Secret Canyon is located between Sycamore Canyon and Oak Creek Canyon. Sunday, about 9 p.m., a Coconino Sheriff's Sergeant received information that a man and woman who were hiking in the Secret Canyon Wilderness area discovered a downed and severely damaged private airplane. Judging from the description received from the reporting party, it is believed this is not a recent crash, possibly as old as one to two years. As you can see two hikers found the plane. There are a lot of disconnects in the whole story.